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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2017 22:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thehappyphilosopher.com/difference-frugal-cheap/#comment-3888&quot;&gt;ChrisCD&lt;/a&gt;.

Chronicles of Amber by Roger Zelazny...  Walk the Pattern!

(all you 70&#039;s and 80&#039;s SF/Fantasy geeks, stand up!)]]></description>
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<p>Chronicles of Amber by Roger Zelazny&#8230;  Walk the Pattern!</p>
<p>(all you 70&#8217;s and 80&#8217;s SF/Fantasy geeks, stand up!)</p>
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		By: TheHappyPhilosopher		</title>
		<link>https://thehappyphilosopher.com/difference-frugal-cheap/#comment-4095</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2017 03:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thehappyphilosopher.com/difference-frugal-cheap/#comment-4092&quot;&gt;squirrel&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for stopping by squirrel. I agree, if shoes cause injury there is no price low enough to justify. I&#039;m not sure I&#039;ve ever paid $150 but I&#039;ve been pretty close. It is still a bit painful to swipe that credit card though :)]]></description>
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<p>Thanks for stopping by squirrel. I agree, if shoes cause injury there is no price low enough to justify. I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ve ever paid $150 but I&#8217;ve been pretty close. It is still a bit painful to swipe that credit card though 🙂</p>
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		By: squirrel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2017 01:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great post.  First time wandering over to your blog.  Totally agree.  Have been running over 20 years.  About 2 years ago I made this switch.  I used to look for clearance shoes at the outlet store!  On a whim I went to a running store a couple years ago and tried a pair of Hoka brand shoes. Truthfully had bought 3 different pairs that only lasted a month a piece before getting &quot;retired&quot;and I was desperate to find a good shoe. They felt great especially on the treadmill the store had to trial run shoes.  Talk about sticker shock.  $150!!!  The is what I used to pay for 2 or more pairs of shoes.  I have to say though they are the best shoes ever!.  Like the point you made they last twice as long, and ever since I switched, I don&#039;t get all the nagging little aches and pains I used to (and I&#039;m running more than ever).  

Sorry to sound like a sales rep, but the point is you are right in this blog.  I have since found slightly less expensive places to buy the same shoe (frugal) but I no longer go cheap on my shoes!  Plus they have saved me little injuries which is a huge long term cost savings Im sure.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  First time wandering over to your blog.  Totally agree.  Have been running over 20 years.  About 2 years ago I made this switch.  I used to look for clearance shoes at the outlet store!  On a whim I went to a running store a couple years ago and tried a pair of Hoka brand shoes. Truthfully had bought 3 different pairs that only lasted a month a piece before getting &#8220;retired&#8221;and I was desperate to find a good shoe. They felt great especially on the treadmill the store had to trial run shoes.  Talk about sticker shock.  $150!!!  The is what I used to pay for 2 or more pairs of shoes.  I have to say though they are the best shoes ever!.  Like the point you made they last twice as long, and ever since I switched, I don&#8217;t get all the nagging little aches and pains I used to (and I&#8217;m running more than ever).  </p>
<p>Sorry to sound like a sales rep, but the point is you are right in this blog.  I have since found slightly less expensive places to buy the same shoe (frugal) but I no longer go cheap on my shoes!  Plus they have saved me little injuries which is a huge long term cost savings Im sure.</p>
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		By: TheHappyPhilosopher		</title>
		<link>https://thehappyphilosopher.com/difference-frugal-cheap/#comment-3917</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thehappyphilosopher.com/difference-frugal-cheap/#comment-3905&quot;&gt;VagabondMD&lt;/a&gt;.

Haha, good points. This is usually what I do, find a perfect pair at full retail then buy the same pair when they are &#039;upgrading&#039; to the next model. Agree on not buying more than a pair or two. I&#039;ve heard that running shoes have a &#039;shelf-life&#039; and will lose some of the elastic and cushioning properties as they age, but this may be complete nonsense. Another reason to not buy too many is that there is generally deflation in consumer manufactured goods. In 10 years the shoes will be cheaper and better, so you are effectively locking in an inferior product at a higher price.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thehappyphilosopher.com/difference-frugal-cheap/#comment-3905">VagabondMD</a>.</p>
<p>Haha, good points. This is usually what I do, find a perfect pair at full retail then buy the same pair when they are &#8216;upgrading&#8217; to the next model. Agree on not buying more than a pair or two. I&#8217;ve heard that running shoes have a &#8216;shelf-life&#8217; and will lose some of the elastic and cushioning properties as they age, but this may be complete nonsense. Another reason to not buy too many is that there is generally deflation in consumer manufactured goods. In 10 years the shoes will be cheaper and better, so you are effectively locking in an inferior product at a higher price.</p>
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		By: VagabondMD		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2017 00:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I enjoyed the blog very much. I have had similar experiences and conclusions with jeans and running shoes. I have been running for 29 years. I learned early on that the &quot;sale&quot; running shoes never hit mark. They ALWAYS underperformed and were discarded or designated for walking the dogs in short order. I do not even try.

I might recommend that now that you know which running shoes work, buy a second pair, at full price, from the online seller that allowed you to get &quot;unstuck&quot; from the alligator shoes.

I will also recommend that you not purchase ten more of there pairs. Your feet, stride, weight, mechanics, etc. will change subtly over time. There is a good chance that what works great now may not work in a couple of years, and this may have been at play with the alligator shoes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed the blog very much. I have had similar experiences and conclusions with jeans and running shoes. I have been running for 29 years. I learned early on that the &#8220;sale&#8221; running shoes never hit mark. They ALWAYS underperformed and were discarded or designated for walking the dogs in short order. I do not even try.</p>
<p>I might recommend that now that you know which running shoes work, buy a second pair, at full price, from the online seller that allowed you to get &#8220;unstuck&#8221; from the alligator shoes.</p>
<p>I will also recommend that you not purchase ten more of there pairs. Your feet, stride, weight, mechanics, etc. will change subtly over time. There is a good chance that what works great now may not work in a couple of years, and this may have been at play with the alligator shoes.</p>
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		By: TheHappyPhilosopher		</title>
		<link>https://thehappyphilosopher.com/difference-frugal-cheap/#comment-3894</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2017 00:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thehappyphilosopher.com/difference-frugal-cheap/#comment-3891&quot;&gt;Mrs. BITA&lt;/a&gt;.

I think they will do fine. I should give them some love in the comments here though.

http://www.backcountry.com/

I&#039;ve ordered from there several times and have yet to be disappointed.

You are right, cheap does not take value into consideration, only price. In isolation price is a very poor way to make decisions.]]></description>
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<p>I think they will do fine. I should give them some love in the comments here though.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.backcountry.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.backcountry.com/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve ordered from there several times and have yet to be disappointed.</p>
<p>You are right, cheap does not take value into consideration, only price. In isolation price is a very poor way to make decisions.</p>
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		By: TheHappyPhilosopher		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2017 00:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thehappyphilosopher.com/difference-frugal-cheap/#comment-3890&quot;&gt;PhysicianOnFIRE&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey, if the cheap shoes work then that&#039;s the frugal power move, I&#039;ve just never found them to be satisfactory overall. They are too hit or miss for me, I need my shoes to be awesome at all times! We would save a lot of money in my house if $40 running shoes worked for us!

I&#039;m not sure I would make the distinction of who is affected to  determine if  the outcome is cheap or frugal. For instance, if I buy shitty shoes that hurt my feet it doesn&#039;t really affect anyone else...but it is still a cheap move, best to be avoided.

To use your restaurant metaphor, being cheap is purchasing the least expensive thing on the menu per calorie, but you hate eating it and it makes you miserable. Frugal is finding that balance between price, nutrition and taste that is of maximum utility or happiness to you. Either way no one but you is affected by that decision. 

Not tipping well is cheap though. Always tip well or the universe will hate you ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thehappyphilosopher.com/difference-frugal-cheap/#comment-3890">PhysicianOnFIRE</a>.</p>
<p>Hey, if the cheap shoes work then that&#8217;s the frugal power move, I&#8217;ve just never found them to be satisfactory overall. They are too hit or miss for me, I need my shoes to be awesome at all times! We would save a lot of money in my house if $40 running shoes worked for us!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I would make the distinction of who is affected to  determine if  the outcome is cheap or frugal. For instance, if I buy shitty shoes that hurt my feet it doesn&#8217;t really affect anyone else&#8230;but it is still a cheap move, best to be avoided.</p>
<p>To use your restaurant metaphor, being cheap is purchasing the least expensive thing on the menu per calorie, but you hate eating it and it makes you miserable. Frugal is finding that balance between price, nutrition and taste that is of maximum utility or happiness to you. Either way no one but you is affected by that decision. </p>
<p>Not tipping well is cheap though. Always tip well or the universe will hate you 😉</p>
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		By: TheHappyPhilosopher		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2017 00:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thehappyphilosopher.com/difference-frugal-cheap/#comment-3888&quot;&gt;ChrisCD&lt;/a&gt;.

I took that picture at a church somewhere in San Fransisco, can&#039;t remember the name but it was a beautiful place. 

All I care about is now my shoes make my feet feel. My wife and I have bought some extremely ugly running shoes just to save a few dollars...but that is frugal of course, not cheap ;)]]></description>
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<p>I took that picture at a church somewhere in San Fransisco, can&#8217;t remember the name but it was a beautiful place. </p>
<p>All I care about is now my shoes make my feet feel. My wife and I have bought some extremely ugly running shoes just to save a few dollars&#8230;but that is frugal of course, not cheap 😉</p>
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		By: Mrs. BITA		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2017 20:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That was some sweet customer service you got there. That company should do well over the years. Maybe buy some stock.

Cheap is being penny wise and pound foolish. Cheap is risking relationships by putting money first. Cheap is valuing the wrong thing for the wrong reasons. Frugal is understanding the true value of things, and spending only where the ROI makes sense. I often feel sorry for Frugal. His ugly noisy step sister is the one that people remember, and they tend to paint him with the same brush.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was some sweet customer service you got there. That company should do well over the years. Maybe buy some stock.</p>
<p>Cheap is being penny wise and pound foolish. Cheap is risking relationships by putting money first. Cheap is valuing the wrong thing for the wrong reasons. Frugal is understanding the true value of things, and spending only where the ROI makes sense. I often feel sorry for Frugal. His ugly noisy step sister is the one that people remember, and they tend to paint him with the same brush.</p>
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		By: PhysicianOnFIRE		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2017 18:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I still buy cheap shoes from good brands. New Balance, Asics, Brooks, etc... I am glad to say I haven&#039;t noticed a huge difference in quality or the way I feel after running in one shoe or another, as long as they fit well.

OTOH, there is a huge difference between being cheap and frugal. To me, cheapness affects other people, while frugality does not. An example -- you go out to eat with a group of friends. To be frugal is to order the sandwich for yourself, but tip well. To be cheap is to chip in enough to pay for your sandwich, but underpaying for tax &#038; tip. I found myself covering for others&#039; cheapness often as a medical student, when none of us had much money.

Cheers!
-PoF]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still buy cheap shoes from good brands. New Balance, Asics, Brooks, etc&#8230; I am glad to say I haven&#8217;t noticed a huge difference in quality or the way I feel after running in one shoe or another, as long as they fit well.</p>
<p>OTOH, there is a huge difference between being cheap and frugal. To me, cheapness affects other people, while frugality does not. An example &#8212; you go out to eat with a group of friends. To be frugal is to order the sandwich for yourself, but tip well. To be cheap is to chip in enough to pay for your sandwich, but underpaying for tax &amp; tip. I found myself covering for others&#8217; cheapness often as a medical student, when none of us had much money.</p>
<p>Cheers!<br />
-PoF</p>
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